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« on: October 29, 2007, 10:30:36 PM » |
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some guy did a little interview with Karl Koch of Weezer fame and matt and ROTR came up. I just thought some of it was interesting.
MY: Can you add any more insight about Rivers' comment that ROTR [The Rentals’ first album Return of the Rentals (1995)] helped kill SFTBH? You say Matt was really into it; did he help write or anything? I can see how ROTR had the same 'sound' as SFTBH...
KK: I think (and mind you - all of this is "I THINK" - 'cause I could be reading it wrong!) it was a case of Rivers feeling his sonic concept (space rock/moog heavy) was hijacked by Matt, who got really, really excited by it and pushed it to new heights as his Rentals album developed from guitar bass drums 4-tracks to fleshed out songs. Matt had a way of hearing something great and making it his own, usually improving on the idea. But Rivers doesn't (didn't) like feeling like a follower, and if SFTBH came out after ROTR, it would have looked like Matt's influence was leading the band's direction. I suspect that didn't sit well with Rivers, who was coming off massive surprise success and felt he had a stage to do exactly what he wanted now - and he wanted the credit for his ideas. You know, the ego and all that. Matt wasn't trying to piss anyone off mind you; he was just inspired by what he heard.
Another example is the for the ladies' sessions, which were directly inspired and influenced by Josh Haden's then-new band, Spain. I got the impression that Matt got a bit of a reputation amongst the Poop Alley [Poop Alley Studios] crowd as a bit of a rip off artist for a while there, but no one could deny his songs were powerful and ultimately way more successful than any of the stuff he was influenced by. The other Poop Alley types were no dummies either, they all appeared on the Rentals album and videos etc., because they knew Matt had something going on.
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Jon
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« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2007, 10:49:37 PM » |
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Interesting quotes... but taking into account all the SFTBH information that has come to light thus far (i.e. the lyrics and sheet music Rivers posted a while back), the real reason it never got completed is obvious: It was a goofy, half-baked idea, and Cuomo lacked both the wherewithal and the balls to pull it off.
Which is not to say the the stuff that ended up on Pinkerton and it's B-Sides isn't brilliance...
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Joshbdork
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« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2007, 11:25:41 PM » |
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yeah and matt copied other people.
on a side note some poop alley tapes were on ebay the other day and went for pretty cheap
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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2007, 05:17:58 PM » |
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I can see why Rivers would feel bitter, if that's true. He came up with these ideas and then had he wanted to use them, he would risk people thinking he copied what his bass player was doing, but at the same time I wouldn't say Matt did anything wrong. It's not like he filled his albums with songs Rivers wrote.
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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2008, 11:27:02 PM » |
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very interesting insight- its also pretty impressive that there is still plenty of discussion about that era of music after such a long period of time!
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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2008, 03:05:43 PM » |
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Good find, its nice seeing the boards getting some life in them.
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« Reply #6 on: February 29, 2008, 07:39:30 AM » |
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It's true it was just a half-baked idea, but according to what Cuomo posted on his blog, he'd have no problem to release SFTBH, apparently the major problem is Geffen Records having the rights on all the songs, and Geffen may not like the idea of releasing such a risky project.
Despite what he might have said, i don't think Cuomo is very enthusiastic on the idea anyway. SFTBH is an old project full of negative vibes for him, and the musical and personal context of the people originally involved in the project are now totally different. So it really seems to be a pain in the arse rather than an exciting project for anyone in Weezer at the time.
But no doubt i'd buy it if it were released!
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